May 27, 2000
INTERVIEW WITH ERIC CARMEN
How Much More Fun Can You Have?
By Dave Schwensen
As much as I’m a fan of comedy, I’m passionate about the music I listen to. There’s no other way to describe how I feel about certain songs that bring back memories or forge new ones with whatever I’m listening to as the soundtrack. And my taste in music could truly be called eclectic, because even I can’t predict what I’ll be into at any given moment. The daily soundtrack playing in my office might include everything from rock, soul and blues, to Broadway, classical and Indian, (sitar)
But if I had to choose – for instance, answering the old question of what CD’s I would want if I were stuck on a deserted island – the answer would be pop/rock. The Beatles and Rolling Stones would definitely be represented. Also on that list would be the true kings of early ‘70s power-rock/pop, The Raspberries.
If by some chance you’ve noticed my review of The Raspberries current reunion tour and think, “Oh, he’s just saying that because he just saw them” – then you’re wrong. “Go All The Way,” “I Wanna Be With You” and “Overnight Sensation” have been on my personal play list since they were released. And I’ve also followed Eric Carmen’s solo career with “All By Myself,” “That’s Rock’n Roll” and many others.
But I will admit it was a mind-jarring experience to see the original Raspberries reunite for this tour. The band was tight, and they rocked through one song after another that had been a soundtrack on my personal journey for years.
One of the highlights of my career as an entertainment writer was interviewing Eric Carmen. This was back in 2000 when he was on tour with Ringo Starr and his All-Starr Band. It was a thrill for my personal memory bank, especially since The Raspberries are from my home base of Cleveland. I remember seeing them at local clubs playing the soundtrack for my limited dancing ability when I was still in high school.
In celebration of The Raspberries reunion, I’ve decided to reprint my interview with Carmen. But instead of digging through my archives, (which is a pile of papers and computer disks in my basement), I lucked on another mind-jarring thrill. The interview was still posted on Carmen’s personal website!! It almost makes me feel important enough to call Ringo and ask for a spot in his next All-Starr Band.
The date was May 27, 2000 when the following ran in The Morning Journal Newspaper. It focuses mainly on Carmen’s involvement with Ringo and the All-Starr Band – but also touches on his solo career and The Raspberries. After all, how could it not – especially since it was written by a fan.
May 27, 2000
Cleveland has been a force in rock music long before the first cornerstone was placed at The Rock’n Roll Hall of Fame. If you know your history, Alan Freed coined the phrase on local airwaves and hosted shows by legends such as Elvis Presley and The Everly Brothers before they were international stars.
The North Coast has nurtured its share of performers, from doo-wop and country through garage bands, disco and rap, but one stands out among all the others. With a successful career spanning three decades, Eric Carmen is Cleveland’s very own hometown hero, music legend and international star.
A child prodigy on the piano who still holds the record as the youngest student, (age two and a half), to be accepted at Cleveland’s prestigious Institute of Music, he caught rock’n roll fever in the mid-60’s and never got over it. His Classical training allowed him to combine the two styles of music in a way no one had before, and after plugging in his first electric guitar he became a regular performer in the local club scene. Eventually Carmen formed one of the hottest bands of the 1970’s, The Raspberries.
After a string of hits including “Go All The Way,” “Tonight” and “I Wanna Be With You,” Carmen set out on a solo career that still continues to produce hits and top-selling albums. “All By Myself” is a much-recorded classic, along with “Hungry Eyes” and “Dirty Dancing.” His latest CD, “I Was Born To Love You,” promises the same high standards his fans have come to expect.
In what turned out to be a grand summer homecoming, Carmen put his solo projects on the back burner to have a little rock’n roll fun. Joining up with former Beatle Ringo Starr, he played some of his biggest hits, (along with many by his famous bandmates), when the All-Starr Band performed in Cleveland And in case you haven’t heard, his musical co-horts also included Jack Bruce, (Cream), Simon Kirk, (Bad Company), Dave Edmunds, (Dave Edmunds Band and RockPile), and Mark Rivera, (The Billy Joel Band).
I had a chance to speak with Carmen during a break in rehearsals as the All-Starr Band prepared for the opening of their tour. Just as excited as any Cleveland musician would be about performing with a Beatle, he talked about the band, his career, and hometown roots. It was like visiting with a North Coast neighbor, which is exactly how it turned out to be.
“Where are you?” he laughed over the phone. “Because you have the same area code as me. My hometown! I moved back in 1994 and I’ve been in my hometown ever since.”
“I’m looking out of my window at Lake Erie right now,” I answered.
“I hear you. It’s a lovely place. A beautiful sight.”
I decided to give his memory a quick test. “There was a club in North Ridgeville, (Ohio), in the early ’70’s called Cyrus Erie…”
“Wow, that’s going back a few years!” he answered. And just in case some of you aren’t up on your Eric Carmen/Raspberries history, Cyrus Erie was one of the many local dance clubs in northern Ohio where the band played long weekend sets in front of packed houses before “Go All The Way” hit the music charts. Since this reporter was part of the crowd to witness the excitement at that time, I asked if he was excited about performing again in the Cleveland area.
“Sure! And I’m playing with a Beatle. How much more fun can you have? He’s all full of personality and that sarcastic wit he’s got… And he’s a barrel of laughs.”
“How did you get involved with The All-Starr Band?”
“My manager from a long time ago asked me if I would be interested in doing this. And I said, ‘Let me think about that. Go out with a Beatle…? Sure!'” he answered, laughing that anyone would have to think about it. “I’d met John and Paul, but I had not met Ringo. So, I guess my name went into a hat with a bunch of keyboard players and Ringo called me for the job.”
“It sounds to me like he picked the right one,” I noted.
“I think so,” he agreed.
“Honestly, I don’t know where to actually start with this interview,” I admitted. “I mean, The Raspberries got me through college at Bowling Green, (State University, Ohio).”
“Half my high school went to Bowling Green,” he said.
“I knew all these guys from around Cleveland and they all acted like they knew you,” I continued, getting a big laugh from Carmen. “They were on a first-name basis with you all the time.”
“Half of them were my cousins!” he answered, laughing harder. “I had lots and lots of cousins.”
“When was the last time you played a show in Cleveland?” I asked. “It wasn’t that long ago…”
“I actually did a very, very small show at The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in March. It was for their educational department. It was about an hour-long interview, then I brought my band on to play about seven or eight songs. So, we did actually play fairly reasonably, but it wasn’t really kind of an ‘open to the public’ sort of show. Before that, probably the last time I played Cleveland was with the ‘Dirty Dancing Tour.’ We did Blossom (Music Center) in 1987 or ’88, or whatever that thing was.”
“I know you have a new album…,” I said.
“It just came out and I don’t think I’ll be doing anything from that, (with the All-Starr Band),” he answered. “Because the show is really about playing hits and that album hasn’t hit yet. All of the All-Starr’s are doing the things that people want to hear.”
Would Carmen give us a little preview? Which of his many songs will be featured?
“We’ll probably play ‘All By Myself’ and ‘Hungry Eyes,’ he answered. “And Raspberries fans won’t be disappointed either.”
“You mentioned that you’ve moved back to Ohio,” I said. “I thought you lived in Los Angeles.”
“No,” he stated. “I lived out there off and on for awhile and moved back in 1994.”
“Do you go out to Los Angeles to record?”
“Sometimes I go there,” he replied. “Sometimes I… You know, the world of recording is a digital world now. If you’ve got a Macintosh computer, you can do half of the stuff in your home. So, it just depends on what I’m doing and what I need. But I’ve got friends in Nashville and Los Angeles, and sometimes I just send them a tape.”
“I know your musical background is very much Classical,” I said. “As much as The Beatles, The Byrds, The Beach Boys and many others.”
“Um-hum (yes),” he answered, obviously waiting for me to say something we don’t both already know.
“You’re known for mixing the two musical styles. What do you listen to now? What’s your favorite kind of music?”
“That’s a darn good question… I still listen to Classical Music more than anything else. But it’s just whatever mood I’m in on that given day. I mean I could go from Sinatra one day to Rolling Stones or The Beatles the next, to Rachmaninoff the day after that… It just varies.”
“When you write, are you still trying to incorporate your Classical training into your music?” I asked.
“Well, I think I’ve used up most of the good melodies,” he answered with a big laugh. “They only wrote so many of those and there’s an old band leader from the ’50’s named Freddy Martin who got to a bunch of them before I did, unfortunately! And he nabbed them. And I got a couple of the good ones that were left, but I don’t know how many of them there are beyond the ones I found. If anyone comes up with some, let me know.”
“I was living in New York City when your solo albums started coming out,” making believe my former proximity would make me closer to the ‘scene.’ “You used to record on West 44th Street…”
“That’s right. The Record Plant,” he said.
“I used to run The Improv Comedy Club…”
“Wow, that was on 44th Street…,” he remembered, though it still didn’t actually place me at the ‘scene.’
“Your gold album with ‘All By Myself,’ ‘Never Gonna Fall In Love Again,’ and the next one, ‘Eric Carmen,’ with the songs ‘I Wanna Hear It From Your Lips’ and ‘I’m Through With Love,’ were…, well, great music for dating,” I admitted.
“Oh, thank you!” he laughed. “That’s very nice!! I’m glad to hear it!”
“What else can you tell us about the All-Starr Band,” I asked, quickly changing the subject.
“Well, you know who’s in it. Right? We’ve got Jack Bruce from Cream on bass. We’ve got Dave Edmunds of The Dave Edmunds Band and Rockpile on guitar. Got Simon Kirk of Bad Company and Free on drums. And Ringo! And Mark Rivera from Billy Joel’s band on sax. So…”
“Did you ever play with any of these guys before?”
“I actually hadn’t played with any of them,” he answered. “And I’m a fan of all their music. So, it’s a marvelous thing to walk in a room with these guys for the first time, which was a little over a week ago, and say, ‘Alright, let’s start learning our songs!’ The next thing I knew I’m singing ‘I Feel Free’ with Jack Bruce, and playing ‘All Right Now’ with Simon Kirk. And Ringo’s drumming on ‘All By Myself.’ How’bout that?! You know?”
“Are you playing both guitar and piano?”
“Guitar, piano and bass actually,” he said. “I play bass on Dave Edmunds’ things.”
“What have rehearsals been like?” I asked. “Did everyone gel immediately, or did it take a little bit of time?”
“It just kind’a…,” he answered, before taking a moment to think about it. “Ringo likes to have fun. Ringo does not like to beat things to death. So, his approach is, ‘Let’s just play the song.’ And I think he sort of expected everyone to pretty much know the songs before we walked in the door. Which we all did. We all got a CD with everyone else’s songs on it and had a chance to listen to it. Then it was just a matter of getting together and filling the song out and finding the little funny corners of the songs. The places that you don’t expect to find. Little problems. And it’s all just starting to really come together. Let’s see, we started rehearsing a week ago Monday and today is, what day – Wednesday? Monday we kind of had the day off and Tuesday was the first day that I think everything started to just gel. And all of a sudden, it’s, you know, we’re running the show and the songs are just kind of clicking and everybody knows what they’re suppose to be doing. Because, boy, it’s an awful lot of information to assimilate in a very short period of time.”
“Yeah,” I agreed, “with everything you have all done, what can you leave out? You can’t leave out anything!”
“Well, no. We’re going to do some of Dave’s songs, some of Simon’s songs, some of Jack’s songs and a bunch of Ringo songs. Some of my songs… So, you’re learning these songs and in the styles of all these different great bands. Which is great fun, but it’s also a lot of information,” he laughed. “There’s about 23 or 24 songs on our set list! So, we have a lot of editing to do between our first day of rehearsal and playing the first date about a week and a half later.”
“Let me ask more about your songs. You’re going back years and getting into your greatest hits. Are you finding these musicians are adding some things you hadn’t thought of before?”
“Sure!” he answered, with no hesitation. “Far be it from me to tell Jack Bruce what to play on the bass. The guy is one of the great bass players of all time. One of the best bass players in the cosmos! So, I just kind of turn it over to him, you know? And I’m thrilled with what I hear. He’s a brilliant, brilliant bass player, and he’s adding things that weren’t there on the records and that are wonderful.”
“So, it’s almost like reinventing your music a little bit…”
“Well, kind of what we’re doing is… One of the things I had done originally as I came into this thinking was Ringo…” Carmen began, then paused for a moment. “Here I’m this big Beatles fan and I know all the stuff that’s on the record and Ringo was kind of like, ‘You know, whatever we do we’re not gonna be The Beatles. So, we’re gonna do our versions of these songs.’ It’s not like we have to match the record exactly and I think that’s pretty much how we’ve approached everyone’s songs. We use the original as a jumping off point, but you let everybody do what they do. Simon Kirk is a marvelous drummer and Ringo is certainly a marvelous drummer, so I’m not going to tell them to play the same drum fills that were on ‘All By Myself.’ It’s like, ‘Well, you guys just have fun,” he laughed. “Just go for it and know they’re not letting me down.”
“I know you’re a big Beatle fan,” I said. “Do you feel a little bit like a Beatle now?”
“Well, I don’t know if I feel like I’m a Beatle,” he answered, after a big laugh. “But I’ll tell you what, it’s a pretty heady rush to look over my shoulder on the second song and I’m sitting there playing acoustic guitar on ‘Act Naturally,’ and there’s Ringo standing next to me singing!”
“That must be something,” I imagined out loud.
“Yeah!”
“Since we grew up in the same area, I wanted to ask you this question,” I said, continuing the Fab Four subject. “Did you see The Beatles when they played in Cleveland?”
“I didn’t. I did not see them,” he said.
“I thought you would’ve been the first in line!” I answered in disbelief.
“It was sort of before… Their concert happened sort of before I really arrived at all that. I think the first concert I saw was The Rolling Stones, and it was 1967 or something. I wish I had seen The Beatles, but I didn’t see them when they went through there!”
“I was there in 1966,” I said. “I haven’t seen Ringo in concert since.”
“Well you know, he looks great,” Carmen said, almost turning into the reporter for this story. “He looks great, and he really is Ringo. I mean, sometimes you meet someone and, you know, you meet them in person, and you think, ‘Oh, they look really old or they’re not anything like you imagined them to be.’ It’s totally…, Ringo is Ringo. This is the guy from ‘Help!’ Same sense of humor. He’s in Great shape. He’s a staunch vegetarian and…”
“So you’re having a great time working with him,” I interrupted.
“Yeah!” he laughed. “He’s a ball! He’s a funny guy!”
With the excitement of performing with The All-Starr Band and the release of his new album, I asked Carmen what his future plans were. Any solo shows in the works?
“Well, I have a six-week-old little girl at home,” he answered. “I had to leave when she was a month old, and I have a two and a half year old little boy so…”
“I miss my wife and my kids terribly!” he laughed. “So, the first thing I’m going to do is go home and just take some time off and just hang out at home with my family. And then we’ll kind of go from there. I think there’s actually some things, like maybe I’ll have my band do a show in Cleveland in August or September. So, we’ll see how that all develops. But we’re making our way through here with this tour, then we’ll kind of look at everything else after that.”
There are rumors of a Raspberries compilation CD coming out. Did he have any updates for us?
“Yeah, it was supposed to come out. There was some legal wranglings going on with a couple members of the band and Capital Records or something, so… It’s there. It’s ready to go and if they get it all sorted out it’ll come out.”
“So nothing more definite on that?” I coaxed.
“I haven’t heard anything new on it.”
I mentioned hearing about new songs. Were there some tracks in the band’s vault that had never been released?
“The original Raspberries’ demos that we did in, God knows what year…,” he said. “Probably 1970 or ’71.”
“Looking back to when you were starting out in the Cleveland area…,” I started, looking for one more visit to the past. “Are those great memories for you? How do you look back on all that?”
“Yeah! They really are, actually. You know, it’s different when you’re first starting. As you become a little bit older and you understand this is a business, many times some of the joy goes out of it. And when you’re playing in those early days, I mean you’re just playing for the joy of playing. But one of the nicest things about this tour is Ringo’s really here to have fun. I mean, this isn’t about anything but having fun. He’s here because he really likes to do this, and he wants to put together a bunch of guys and just go out and play. So, in some ways, this is kind of the best of all possible worlds. Because I can really enjoy the original fun of just playing. But with this kind of group of musicians,” he laughed, “it’s pretty amazing!”
“It’s been a long ride for you,” I said. “But with something like this, it sounds like you’re really enjoying yourself.”
“Absolutely! You know, if somebody would’ve told me when I was a senior at Brush High School, ‘Well, you know in about 30 years or so you’ll be stepping on stage with Ringo Starr and Jack Bruce…,'” he answered, before breaking into another laughs. “I would’ve said, ‘Ah, I think you’re…,’ And they’ll be playing YOUR songs!’ Wow. Pinch me.”
“I think you’ve earned a big place in rock’n roll history with your music,” I said, stating the obvious. “You have classic stuff.”
“Well, thank you.”
“How do you see yourself fitting in?” I asked.
“I have no idea,” he admitted. “All I ever try to do is write some good songs. And I’ve been very fortunate in my career and that we’ve had some hit records and other people have liked my songs as well. I mean, counting the covers of ‘All By Myself’ alone have been pretty amazing. Sheryl Crow to Celine Dion to Frank Sinatra to Tom Jones to Henry Mancinni… I mean, every possible genre has covered this song and it’s a wonderful thing when that happens to a songwriter. Because it’s really what I wanted to do most, you know. And I’ve had successful songs in films, and it’s been a long and crazy ride, but I’m glad it took me to right here! I mean, how much more fun can you have? Walking up on stage with Ringo Starr, Jack Bruce, Simon Kirk… Dave Edmunds – the guy’s one of my heroes. And here I am. With them!”
“It’s a great feeling for all your hometown fans in Cleveland to see you resurface and keep coming out with new songs.”
“Yeah,” he answered. “Once every ten years I like to stick my ugly head up again.”
“Well it works!” I said, as we both laughed at the thought. “Anything else you’d like to tell our readers?”
“Just that I look forward to seeing everyone,” he answered. “And we’ll be there ready to play!”